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Would you buy a home a family was found dead in?
November 9th, 2009, 4:00 am · 33 Comments · posted by KELLI HART, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
A home in San Clemente’s Sea Pointe Estates just hit the market, but this isn’t just any home.
In May 2008, five dead bodies were discovered inside this house.
Now, it’s up for sale - listed at $995,000.
Take our poll below!
Located at 31 Campanilla, this home has 4 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, 3,800-square-feet and ocean views.
Most readers bring up this decomposed family as one of the reasons they don’t like Sea Pointe Estates. Whether they’re citing the family’s death, the dated sign at the guard gate or the gang injunction zone across the street from the gated community, this neighborhood never fails to spark controversy on this blog.
An interesting tidbit - the listing information states that the home is being sold ‘as is.’
Oh, and there are HOA dues of $420 a month but no Mello Roos fees.
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never. ever.
too bad, beautiful house.
sold as is, probably a tear down, i heard the smell never goes away. plus that would be very creepy sleeping in a room were 5 people died.
Kelli - correct me if I’m off base but isn’t this one of things / occurrences that needs to be disclosed to all potential buyers? If so, that is absolutely going to reduce the ‘target audience’ but I have to imagine to tear it down and rebuild would be cost prohibitive, even for the person with $50M in the bank (plus they would be Newport bound anyway).
Initially i thought sure, it wouldn’t bother me but after reading about it again, the whole thing (ie, suicide / murder) gives me the hibbie-gibbies!
BTW Kelli, like the new hairstyle
In California, if a death occurred within the past 3 years, it’s considered a material fact and must be disclosed.
How about natural death? Do they have to disclose that as well?
Great question ..
-If a death occurs on a property within 3 years, and the circumstances of that death are material (it was a gruesome or offensive death, or affected the reputation of the property), it must be disclosed.
-Civil Code §1710.2 requires disclosure of a death MORE than 3 years old, IF the Buyer asks.
Some people get spooked pretty badly to the point that they may not even consider living on the land itself even if the home was torn down and rebuilt. Would you get over it then or would you still avoid this lot?
sure as long as they cleaned it out real good.
I’ll give em $350,000
I’d do it for 600k for sure.
Some “ghetto” this is. Certainly is nicer than my part of Anaheim, and I sure don’t feel like I’m at risk of losing my life as it stands.
REALLLLLY COOL ARTICLE! I’ve been curious about this property and its fate since the incident. The macabre part of me makes it impossible for me to drive on Camino los Mares without glancing up at it. Brings back memories of 10050 (now 10066) Cielo Dr. It’s my understanding that the new Cielo Dr. mansion was built JUST OFF to the side of the actual site of the original house for this reason. It’s always interesting to get viewpoints on this touchy subject. If this was a real STEAL, you bet I’d gladly jump on it! However, I may re-think that decision while lying awake in the middle of the night…=/. Plus, “smell” would be an instant deal-breaker. While the view is to-die-for, I’ve heard this neighborhood has major geological issues. Don’t think I would consider 1 mil a steal by any stretch. It’ll be interesting to see what it ends up going for. Kelly, THANKS LOTS for bringing up this very fascinating and mind-delving issue!
I never use to believe in all of this stuff……………until recently. Some recent occurrences changed my beliefs for good!! And that house was the scene of a very violent event. No way would I ever live in that house!
…I read the article “five dead bodies were discovered inside this house.”
Now I’m curious, how did they die?
they never really found out just rulled a homiced, although they detemined the mom shot the dad before he was dead from pain killer overdose. mom shot hersefl and daughters grandma died from pain killers. who has that many pain killers in one house is my question.
sorry suicide / homicide.
The MLS listing I just looked at said 3150 sqft, and there was no mention at all of the multiple murder/suicide that took place there. It would be pretty unpleasant to go with your agent to check out this house and come out reeling from the stench…
“The Cleaners” do a really, really thorough job, you would have no clue (any of the 5 senses) of anything, especially a murder/suicide, taking place. Think ProServ coming in and fixing / replacing / cleaning for serious and material water damage … same thing.
they may do the basics but 5 human decomposing bodies times 3 weeks during summer equals gallons of fluids seeping into every crack and crevasse, wall and floor removal would need to be done, which the cleaners dont do. there is a reason why the house is cheaper and sold “as is”and “Remodel/update this custom-built home” direclty on real estate website.
I would jump at the opportunity to buy it!
Sincerely,
The guy who bought Nicole Brown-Simpsons condo on Bundy
6 months ago we almost offer on a house that we like in GG. We even toured the house and walk around… Upon talking to the listing agent, we found out that there was a murder back in 2006 and we backed out right the way and yes, they have to disclose it. The murder was so violent that it still gives me goose bump when I think about it.
Spooky!
Never.
I don’t know anyone that would. Might as well just tear down the house and leave the land vacant.
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totally good to go with the land …
Let’s see, I am enjoying the ocean view and my little kids start walking around saying “Redrum Redrum”
No Way
By California law, you have to disclose if anyone died inside a house, if the house is listed less than 3 years after the death. This is grossly unfair to sellers whose relatives die of old age-related causes. That, combined with superstitious buyers (of certain nationalities) makes it tough for sellers. I can see the point in disclosing violent deaths, but why punish heirs?
Im pretty sure a person dying of natural causes isnt as much a deterrant to buying a home as opposed to death by murder-suicide/homicide. I have bought homes through estate sales and it doesnt bother me that someone died naturally. It is a natural course. So I dont think you will lose much disclosing that a person died of natural causes.
Since when do RE Agents or others in the RE field actually follow the law? I will tell you exactly how this will play out:
A RE agent, er “investor” will buy this house at deep discount to fair market, due to the stigma. He/she will totally rehab it, list it above fair market (without disclosing the death). Then, he/she will bring in the buyer (handle both sides of the transaction), and voila, instant profits. I can just hear the conversation now, with the potential buyer: “Have I got a deal for you”. “I wanted to let you in on this before others find out what a great house this is”. “It has imported marble floors, double SubZero Fridge and Dual Commercial Wolf cooktops.” “The agent will continue by saying that it has a pano ocean view and is located in Prestigious SPE”. Buyer will ask to see other homes in SPE, but agent will insist that buyer make offer on this house now, or risk losing out on the best deal to hit SPE in the past 20 years. That is how this will play out, mark my words. There is NOT one person on this earth that would buy this to actually live in it themselves. Real curious to see what it sells for and then, how much it is flipped for.
Its always buyer beware in the So Cal RE Market.
Someone tell me if I’m wrong, but one exception to the disclosure rule for real estate is that if the occupant died from AIDs, it doesn’t have to be disclosed. Am I correct?
Someone better OUTBID GUNNER before he snatches up this diamond in the rough.
That was a funny one Perry! Gunner is indeed adament about home prices rising to record highs again even though we have record unemployment. As far as this house goes, I personally wouldnt want to live in it but the house is very nice and someone will pick it up at the right price. It would be nice to see the final buying price of this house. Im going to guess around 750k
I’ll bid $375,000
this is the way the rich get richers